Among his travels, the President of Citizens for Self Governance, Mark Meckler, represented CSG at this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference. While there, he got a chance to talk to a lot of people about the Convention of States – our last, best chance to bring balance to a government run wild. Here’s an interview he gave with Townhall‘s Matt Vespa about the COS project, and how the process will go forward:

Mark Meckler: So the rhetorical question in America that I think is the most important question facing the country today is the question “who decides”? We have all these debates in America — whether it’s about health care or EPA regulations or whatever — and the underlying premise in all those debates is that the decision will be made in Washington, D.C. And when we give up that premise, we lose the fight. It’s like; the fight is over, why engage in the debate? Because some guy in Washington, D.C. that you don’t know that doesn’t care about you or your family or your situation is going to make the decision for you. When you ask Americans “who should decide?” they almost always say “me.” And it doesn’t matter whether they’re on the left or the right or the center. It doesn’t matter what their political affiliation is. Say “who should decide about the things that affect your life,” they always say “me.” It’s a uniquely American spirit, by the way — it’s the spirit of self-governance. So what the Convention of States movement is all about, fundamentally, at its root, is that a question of who decides.

In Article 5 of the Constitution, it gave us the right — the second clause of Article 5 — to call an amendment convention specifically for the purposes of restraining Federal tyranny. That was introduced in the last two days of the convention — it was almost an afterthought. George Mason stood up and he said “in Article 5, we’ve given the federal government the power to amend the constitution should they deem it necessary — but we haven’t given that right to the people or the states. And he said, so do we really believe that if the federal government becomes a tyranny — which we all know governments, centralized governments do — do we believe that they’ll propose appropriate amendments to restrain their own tyranny. Now I’m asking that question — it’s so obvious, right? No. Of course they won’t. It was just as obvious to them. And at the time Madison’s notes reflect that it was so obvious, there was no debate. No debate, and it was adopted unanimously to give us, the citizens acting through the states, the right to call an amendment convention specifically–according to them–to restrain federal government tyranny, federal government overreach.

So today, we find ourselves 66 percent of Americans say that the federal government’s too big, it’s overreaching, it’s out of control, and the federal government does not think about it. We have to have a remedy. The remedy is found in Article 5. Article 5 works when 34 states get together and they file an application or a call for a convention. And that application specifies what that convention will be about. And in our case…what we’re calling for is a convention for three things: 1) discussing fiscal restraints on the federal government — everybody agrees the federal government is fiscally out of control; 2) is putting scope or jurisdictional restraints on the federal government; and 3) imposing term limits on the federal government. These are things that have broad, general support among the American public.

So, when 34 states call, they send their delegates to convention, they get a convention, they debate these things, and when a majority of the states think they have an amendment ready to pass out to the states, they pass it out to the states for ratification. It takes 38 states to ratify anything — meaning any 13 states can stop ratification just by failing to vote for ratification. So that’s the mechanics of how the process works.

Regarding success, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and former Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn have voiced their support of the movement:

So far, we’ve actually passed the application in Georgia — a nice red state, Florida — a nice swing state, and Alaska — which is its own creature, but really a swing state. So it’s been passed in those three states. It’s currently pending in roughly thirty states around the country — so it’s serious momentum. So the states are taking it seriously, the state legislators are taking it seriously, and I think importantly, the conservative community at large is taking it really seriously — and the libertarian community.It’s really incredible; you’ve got guys like Rush Limbaugh talking about Article 5. Sean Hannity’s in support of Article 5. Obviously, Sean was at the conference. And you’ve got guys like Mark Levin who wrote the book on Article 5. So all of these guys are in support. Sarah Palin endorses our project. Colonel Allen West endorses our project. Senator Tom Coburn just came on as a senior advisor to the Convention of States project. So you’ve got serious-name people, serious intellectual people.

Mr. Meckler’s last visit at the time was to the nonpartisan, unicameral state legislature in Nebraska, where he spoke at a committee about his Article V proposal. He was optimistic about the measure coming out of committee in order to be debated and eventually voted upon by lawmakers.

Sen. Coburn is set to make a brief presentation at an event in support of the Convention of State movement in Tulsa, Oklahoma on March 23.

About The Author

Mark was a co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots, and served as the national coordinator. He left the organization to work more broadly on expanding the self-governance movement beyond the partisan divide. Mark appears regularly on television in outlets as diverse as MSNBC, ABC, NBC, Fox News, CNN, Bloomberg, Fox Business and the BBC. He’s highly sought after for the tea party perspective from print and electronic media outlets, from the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, L.A. Times, Washington Examiner, Politico and the The Hill. Mark blogs at, and his opinion editorials regularly run in many of the leading political newspapers both on and offline. Mark has a BA in English from San Diego State University and graduated with honors from University of the Pacific, McGeorge School of Law in 1988. He practiced real estate and business law for almost a decade. For the last eleven years of his legal career he specialized in Internet advertising law. When not fighting for the future of our nation, Mark is an avid horseman, and lives in rural northern California with his wife Patty and two children.

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